Ali the Ismaili writes:
Ali said...
Collaboraters
(Interpretation of the verse)
The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is a disgrace for them in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution. Except for those who repent before you overpower them, then know that God is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 5:33-34)
Police working for Occupation forces
(Interpretation of the Verse)
You will find others who want to be safe amongst you and safe amongst their own people. Every time they are returned to the test, they fall back in it. If they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace, and restrain their hands, then you shall take them and kill them where you find them. For these We have given you a clear authority.” (Quran 4:91)
so if they dont offer peace,we must kill them wherever we find them.if they dont Restrain from what theyre doing(i.e helping the occupation forces in anyway,translatros,cooks and cleaners,radio workers,news casts and governers)We must Kill them.
What about people who sell clothes to the occupation forces? or those who are theyre doctors,or those who give moral support to them?
(interpretation of the Verse)
When you were on the near side, and they were on the far side, then the supply line became directly beneath you. And had you planned for this meeting, you would have disagreed on its timing, but God was to enforce a command that was already done. So that He would destroy those to be destroyed with proof, and to let those who will live be alive with proof. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.” (Quran 8:42)
Prisoners of War:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners unless it was in battle. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter for you. God is Noble, Wise.” (Quran 8:67)
“O prophet, say to those prisoners whom you hold: “If God finds in your hearts any good, He will grant you better than what He took from you, and He will forgive you. God is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 8:70)
“So, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike their flanks until you overcome them, then bind them securely. You may either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. And had God willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.” (Quran 47:4)
October 20, 2010 7:56 AM
Ali said...
so they are to Be Treated Kindly,and they may not be harmed except ransomed or set free.
What About the UN?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“And if they are told: ‘Do not make evil in the land,’ they Say: ‘But we are the reformers!’ No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.” (Quran 2:11-12)
they aere a legitimate target,and they assisted the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq,the occupation of sham,and the killing of Muqawamma soldiers in Lebanon.
What about Mutilating Dead Bodies?
(Interpretation of The Verse)
"So God sent forth a raven to scratch the land and show him how to deal with the wickedness inflicted upon his brother. He said: “O my, am I not able to be like this raven and deal with the wickedness inflicted upon my brother!” So he became of those who regretted." (Quran 5:31)
It is Impermissable to Mutilate dead bodies at All Tiems.
What About Peacefull protests and Negotations?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
God already knows which of you are the hinderers, and those who say to their brothers: ‘Come and stay with us.’ Rarely do they mobilize for battle. They are miserable towards you. Then, when fear comes, you see their eyes rolling, as if death had already come to them. But once the fear is gone, they lash-out at you with sharp tongues. They are miserable towards doing any good. These have not believed, so God nullifies their works. This is easy for God to do.” (Quran 33:18-19)
These people who call for PEacefull protests are Hypocrites and Are in fact Disbeleivers in Allah's Message.they have denied allah being able to Take Ibrahim from the Fire,and The Ahl Al-Kahf being asleep for 300 years int heri cave from the seclusion of people,they have denied the Signs of Isa(a.s)And Muhammad(a.s),they have denied the Sign of Musa(a.s) against Firawn(a.s)and the sign of Yusuf(a.s) against The Prisoners,when they say the Army of the DEvil is more powerfull then the musklimjs,and we cannot defeat them.
For allah Says(Interpretation of The Verse)
“It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was not you who launched when you did, but it was God who launched. And so that the believers would be tested well by God. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.’” (Quran 8:17)
Also Allah Says:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
If God grants you victory then none can defeat you, and if He abandons you then who can grant you victory after Him? And towards God the believers should put their trust.” (Quran 3:160)
“O you who believe, if you support God, He will support you, and make your foothold firm.” (Quran 47:7)
Also allah has Said about the Party of Allah(Al-HizbAllah)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
Waman yatawalla Allaha warasoolahu waallatheena amanoo fa-inna hizba Allahi humu alghaliboona
for, all who ally themselves with God and His Apostle and those who have attained to faith - behold, it is they, the partisans of God, who shall be victorious!
(Quran 5:56)
October 20, 2010 7:57 AM
Ali said...
Allah Says:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“O you who believe, what is wrong with you when you are told: “March forth in the cause of God,” you become heavy on Earth. Have you become content with this worldly life over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life compared to the Hereafter is nothing.” (Quran 9:38)
“March forth in light gear or heavy gear, and strive with your money and lives in the cause of God. That is best if you knew.” (Quran 9:41)
So we Are to March forth in Jihad,and we cannot abandon jihad without a Valid shar'i Excuse.
What about Leaders(Presidents,prime ministers)?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
And if they break their oaths after making them, and they denounce the authority of your system; then you may kill the chiefs of rejection. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.” (Quran 9:12)
what about Striking Enemy formations :
(Interpretation of the Verse)
So, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike their formations until you overcome them, then bind them securely. You may either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. And had God willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.” (Quran 47:4)
The Number of Fighters do not Matter
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“God had granted you victory at Badr while you had been the lesser, so revere God that you may be thankful. When you said to the believers: “Is it not enough for you that God would supply you with three thousand of the Angels sent down?” Indeed, if you are patient and are righteous and they come and attack you, He will supply you with five thousand of the Angels battle trained.” (Quran 3:124-125)
Stay Firm on the Battle field in jihad:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“O you who believe; when you encounter those who have rejected on the battlefield, then do not flee from them. And whoever on that day flees from them; unless it is part of the battle strategy or if he is retreating back to his group; then he has drawn God’s wrath upon him, and his abode will be Hell. What a miserable destiny.” (Quran 8:15-16)
“O you who believe, when you meet a force, stand firm and mention God excessively, that you may succeed.” (Quran 8:45)
Atatck the Bases of Traitors(this includes anybody who ccoperates with the occdupying force including morally)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
And if you are being betrayed by a people, then you shall likewise move against them. God does not like the betrayers.” (Quran 8:58)
Gather the muslims to Fight the enemy of allah(SWT)and his Emmissary(SAAS)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty of you who are patient, they will defeat two hundred. And if there are one hundred of you, they will defeat one thousand from amongst those who reject; that is because they are a people who do not comprehend.” (Quran 8:65)
Eshtablish the rule of Islam.
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.” (Quran 5:44)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.” (Quran 5:45)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.” (Quran 5:47)
October 20, 2010 8:06 AM
Ali the Ismaili writes:
the Traditions of Ahl Ul-Bayt(a.s)Are Unanimouis in the Cutting of the The Theifs Hand.
in Fact the Twelvers Say its only 4 Fingers of the right hand,i dont know You Guys Stance on it.
There is a Famouis Hadith Where Ali(a.s)Cut off the Hand of the Criminal,and the criminal was Happy Ali did it to him,and not somebody else.
then Ali put his hand back,because of his Love for the Imams(a.s).
Secondly Whipping the Adulterer is a Consensus of the Ahl ul-Bayt(Peace be upon them).
Teh Question Arises isnt t Cruel to cutm of somebodies hand?
Well Jafar Bin Muhammad asnwered this by Saying :his breaching of his Trustworthiness lowered the Value of his Hand.
Secondly is the Hands of a Few Criminals Worth the Safety of and entire Society?
we all saw what happened in the Blackouts of the United states and Australia.
people couldnt even go outside.
and the Cutting of the hand Helps the Criminal,it saves him from Punishment in the Hereafter for Stealing,and lets him make something good of his life.
is the Whipping of a Few Adulterers worth the stability of the entire people?
i think so.
i think that the ummah is more important than a few adulterers.
October 20, 2010 7:23 AM
Ali said...
Also Tell me if i am mistaken,but arent Zaydis really Violent when it comes to Imamate?like Violence is a part of eshtablishing the Imamate?
And Taqiyah Being Void To You,and you msut rise up against a opressive ruler?
and Also the Quran mentions Jihad in the following Terms:
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with God's command. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable. The believers are brothers; so reconcile between your brothers, and be aware of God, that you may receive mercy.” (Quran 49:9-10)
so we should Reconcile people first,then if that doesnt work fight.
All Nations Should Have Weapons:
(Interpretationm Of the Verse)
And muster for them all that you can of might, and from the steeds of war, that you may instil fear with it towards God’s enemy and your enemy, and others beside them whom you do not know but God knows them. And whatever you spend in the cause of God will be returned to you, and you will not be wronged.” (Quran 8:60)
Shari'a Law must be Impelented in all circumstances:
(Interpetation of The Verse)
“And judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you away from some of what God has sent down to you. If they turn away, then know that God wants to inflict them with some of their sins; and most of the people are corrupt. Is it the judgment of the days of ignorance that they seek? Who is better than God as a judge for a people that comprehend? (Quran 5:49-50)
Killing the Invadiung Froces is Obligatory,this includes their cooks,Hospitals,and all froms of asupport including cleaners.
(Interpreatation of the Verse)
And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers.” (Quran 2:190-191)
October 20, 2010 7:35 AM
Ali said...
Collaboraters
(Interpretation of the verse)
The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is a disgrace for them in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution. Except for those who repent before you overpower them, then know that God is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 5:33-34)
Police working for Occupation forces
(Interpretation of the Verse)
You will find others who want to be safe amongst you and safe amongst their own people. Every time they are returned to the test, they fall back in it. If they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace, and restrain their hands, then you shall take them and kill them where you find them. For these We have given you a clear authority.” (Quran 4:91)
so if they dont offer peace,we must kill them wherever we find them.if they dont Restrain from what theyre doing(i.e helping the occupation forces in anyway,translatros,cooks and cleaners,radio workers,news casts and governers)We must Kill them.
What about people who sell clothes to the occupation forces? or those who are theyre doctors,or those who give moral support to them?
(interpretation of the Verse)
When you were on the near side, and they were on the far side, then the supply line became directly beneath you. And had you planned for this meeting, you would have disagreed on its timing, but God was to enforce a command that was already done. So that He would destroy those to be destroyed with proof, and to let those who will live be alive with proof. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.” (Quran 8:42)
Prisoners of War:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners unless it was in battle. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter for you. God is Noble, Wise.” (Quran 8:67)
“O prophet, say to those prisoners whom you hold: “If God finds in your hearts any good, He will grant you better than what He took from you, and He will forgive you. God is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 8:70)
“So, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike their flanks until you overcome them, then bind them securely. You may either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. And had God willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.” (Quran 47:4)
October 20, 2010 7:56 AM
Ali said...
so they are to Be Treated Kindly,and they may not be harmed except ransomed or set free.
What About the UN?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“And if they are told: ‘Do not make evil in the land,’ they Say: ‘But we are the reformers!’ No, they are the evildoers, but they do not perceive.” (Quran 2:11-12)
they aere a legitimate target,and they assisted the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq,the occupation of sham,and the killing of Muqawamma soldiers in Lebanon.
What about Mutilating Dead Bodies?
(Interpretation of The Verse)
"So God sent forth a raven to scratch the land and show him how to deal with the wickedness inflicted upon his brother. He said: “O my, am I not able to be like this raven and deal with the wickedness inflicted upon my brother!” So he became of those who regretted." (Quran 5:31)
It is Impermissable to Mutilate dead bodies at All Tiems.
What About Peacefull protests and Negotations?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
God already knows which of you are the hinderers, and those who say to their brothers: ‘Come and stay with us.’ Rarely do they mobilize for battle. They are miserable towards you. Then, when fear comes, you see their eyes rolling, as if death had already come to them. But once the fear is gone, they lash-out at you with sharp tongues. They are miserable towards doing any good. These have not believed, so God nullifies their works. This is easy for God to do.” (Quran 33:18-19)
These people who call for PEacefull protests are Hypocrites and Are in fact Disbeleivers in Allah's Message.they have denied allah being able to Take Ibrahim from the Fire,and The Ahl Al-Kahf being asleep for 300 years int heri cave from the seclusion of people,they have denied the Signs of Isa(a.s)And Muhammad(a.s),they have denied the Sign of Musa(a.s) against Firawn(a.s)and the sign of Yusuf(a.s) against The Prisoners,when they say the Army of the DEvil is more powerfull then the musklimjs,and we cannot defeat them.
For allah Says(Interpretation of The Verse)
“It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was not you who launched when you did, but it was God who launched. And so that the believers would be tested well by God. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.’” (Quran 8:17)
Also Allah Says:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
If God grants you victory then none can defeat you, and if He abandons you then who can grant you victory after Him? And towards God the believers should put their trust.” (Quran 3:160)
“O you who believe, if you support God, He will support you, and make your foothold firm.” (Quran 47:7)
Also allah has Said about the Party of Allah(Al-HizbAllah)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
Waman yatawalla Allaha warasoolahu waallatheena amanoo fa-inna hizba Allahi humu alghaliboona
for, all who ally themselves with God and His Apostle and those who have attained to faith - behold, it is they, the partisans of God, who shall be victorious!
(Quran 5:56)
October 20, 2010 7:57 AM
Ali said...
Allah Says:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“O you who believe, what is wrong with you when you are told: “March forth in the cause of God,” you become heavy on Earth. Have you become content with this worldly life over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life compared to the Hereafter is nothing.” (Quran 9:38)
“March forth in light gear or heavy gear, and strive with your money and lives in the cause of God. That is best if you knew.” (Quran 9:41)
So we Are to March forth in Jihad,and we cannot abandon jihad without a Valid shar'i Excuse.
What about Leaders(Presidents,prime ministers)?
(Interpretation of the Verse)
And if they break their oaths after making them, and they denounce the authority of your system; then you may kill the chiefs of rejection. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.” (Quran 9:12)
what about Striking Enemy formations :
(Interpretation of the Verse)
So, if you encounter those who have rejected, then strike their formations until you overcome them, then bind them securely. You may either set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. And had God willed, He alone could have beaten them, but He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of God, He will never let their deeds be put to waste.” (Quran 47:4)
The Number of Fighters do not Matter
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“God had granted you victory at Badr while you had been the lesser, so revere God that you may be thankful. When you said to the believers: “Is it not enough for you that God would supply you with three thousand of the Angels sent down?” Indeed, if you are patient and are righteous and they come and attack you, He will supply you with five thousand of the Angels battle trained.” (Quran 3:124-125)
Stay Firm on the Battle field in jihad:
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“O you who believe; when you encounter those who have rejected on the battlefield, then do not flee from them. And whoever on that day flees from them; unless it is part of the battle strategy or if he is retreating back to his group; then he has drawn God’s wrath upon him, and his abode will be Hell. What a miserable destiny.” (Quran 8:15-16)
“O you who believe, when you meet a force, stand firm and mention God excessively, that you may succeed.” (Quran 8:45)
Atatck the Bases of Traitors(this includes anybody who ccoperates with the occdupying force including morally)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
And if you are being betrayed by a people, then you shall likewise move against them. God does not like the betrayers.” (Quran 8:58)
Gather the muslims to Fight the enemy of allah(SWT)and his Emmissary(SAAS)
(Interpretation of the Verse)
“O prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty of you who are patient, they will defeat two hundred. And if there are one hundred of you, they will defeat one thousand from amongst those who reject; that is because they are a people who do not comprehend.” (Quran 8:65)
Eshtablish the rule of Islam.
(Interpretation of the Verses)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.” (Quran 5:44)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.” (Quran 5:45)
“…And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.” (Quran 5:47)
October 20, 2010 8:06 AM
zaida said...
Dear Readers, I would just like to point out that the person making the above comments is not a Zaidi, therefore we Zaidis do not take responsibility for any of the above comments, which include, if I understand them properly, the idea that it is halal to kill cooks, translators and doctors etc who happen to be on the opposing side in a battle!
I can’t respond to all of Ali’s comments right now, but just to make a start, regarding the verse concerning covering of women’s bodies, I disagree with Ali’s interpretation. See comments section of “Zaidism and Women’s Liberation” (posted on July 27), I will post my response to him there.
About the misleading title of my article, I usually add the word “zaidi” to the titles on this blog so that they will be linked to this blog in Google searches. It is true that my perspective is not always the same as the official Zaidi line, which is well represented here by Imam Rassi Society. I acknowledge that I am on the fringe of Zaidism and pushing its boundaries. So far, the Zaidis are not complaining, so unless you are actually a Zaidi I will ignore your protests about my opinions being outside Zaidism.
October 20, 2010 4:35 PM
zaida said...
To Pro ahlul bait:
I think I already pointed out in my article "The Relationship between Mu'tazilism and Zaidism" (August 25) that, in contrast to the Sunni literalism espoused by, among others Abu Hanifa, Imam Zaid was not a literalist. In that article I compared their contrasting interpretations of "the Hand of Allah". While Abu Hanifa mentioned that he and other "ahlussanna" do not see it figuratively "the way the Mu'tazilah do", (his own words), Imam Zaid listed all the "higher level" meanings of "hand" and said the word is used that way in Arabic poetry. i.e. he made ta'wil. I got this info from the book you sent me, by the way. Therefore i does not seem strange to me that later mu'tazilis did not interpret the "bridge" and the "tank" literally. I do not think their opinions are weird. They had learnt to respond to the Arabic language on a higher level than the literal level, just as Imam Zaid (and other members of ahlul bait) had.
October 20, 2010 4:48 PM
ProAhlulBayt1 said...
To Zaida
As brother IRS pointed out the Zaydis are latest inheritors of knowledge when it comes to the Mutazilla views. In the end, even brother IRS refuted your article. Just because Allah's hand is not taken literally, doesn't mean the punishment of theft shouldn't be implied literally. Also, I've told you that Fiqh e Akbar was compiled by Abu Hanifa's (ra) student Abu Yusuf who was anti mutazilla. If Abu Hanifa (ra) really made such a view the Mutazilla would be the first ones to condemn him. On the contrary, they believe fiqh e akbar isn't his views on theology.
October 20, 2010 6:04 PM
zaida said...
Well if Fiqhul akbar doesn't reflect Abu Hanifa's veiws and he really agreed with Imam Zaid and the Mu'tazilis about ta'wil, somebody had better inform the world's billions of sunni muslims that they have got it wrong. We still don't know if brother IRS is going to refute the views of the Mu'tazilis which you listed above (where did you get that list by the way?) And as far as I'm concerned, if Allah's "hand" can be understood metaphorically, why can't a thief's "hand" be understood as his "ability to steal"? As a mu'tazili, I am allowed to speculate about these things, even if you aren't as a sunni.
October 20, 2010 6:25 PM
zaida said...
….and the advantage of Zaidism is that we can have a living ahlul bait Imam. It is the role of the ahlul bait/ Hashemite Imam to interpret Islam in the appropriate way for his followers in his time and his region. As the Zaidi Imamate in Yemen has been out of operation since 1962, we can only speculate about what a properly elected Zaidi Imam would have say about issues that affect Muslims in 2010. It is interesting to note, however, that a descendant of that most recent Zaidi Imamate, the Hamidaddin Imamate, has made comments above which depart from the traditional Zaidism of his forefathers. I interpret this as a sign that, when a Zaidi Imamate is re-established, it will not be a carbon copy of the 1962 Imamate which was ousted. The fact is, the reason it was ousted in 1962 was that it had become stale and out of touch with modern day reality. Zaidis need to learn from this. Any new Imamate will need a fresh new way of looking at things.
October 20, 2010 7:34 PM
Ali said...
salam alaykum.
how are they ahl ul-bayt?
when ahl ul-bayt has perfectly purified,but hese people love wine,women and dancing?
secondly they promote peace ,if you call peace,discouraging the jihad,and imprisoning the mujahedin in their lands.
if you call peace opressing berbers,and holding 100,000's of political prisoners in compounds,i dont call that peace nor sending military to kill palistinian fighters.
and what is your Obsession with descendancy?you are getting like Iranians,who basically worship the Sayedzadeh and have a obsession with the concept of ''Haramzadeh''''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJn3ykUDwAM
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "HARAM ZADA" AND "WALIDUL ZINA"
looool,
secondly i answered you on http://zaidism.blogspot.com/2010/08/history-of-zaidi-revival-in-saada.html
the rest
did you know these hashemite leaders sent troops to kill other hashemite leaders in Sa'sada read the article i provided in the above post.
also i shall answer you on Khimr Shortly insha'Allah and the misuse of modern adherents to ''''British islam''.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RouGfvhubpY
British Government wants to buy ISLAM!
very funny video.gives some insight.
October 21, 2010 12:10 PM
Ali said...
@ProAhlulBayt1,It is not The Zaydiyah who uphold the Mutazili Spirit but rather the Ibadhi
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/ibadhiyah/ibadhisunni.html
This gives a list of Ibadhi Vs.Sunni interpretations of the Deen.
they beleive,the angels are higher then messenegrs,and yes they beleive the Sirat is metaphorical.
i have personallly confirmed this from a Ibadhi,as i am active on Omanforums.com
October 21, 2010 12:26 PM
ProAhlulBayt1 said...
There is a hadith hasn't been rejected by any traditional school of thought.
A'isha reported that the Quraish had been anxious about the Makhzumi woman who had committed theft, and said: Who will speak to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about her? They said: Who dare it, but Usama, the loved one of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? So Usama spoke to him. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do you intercede regarding one of the punishments prescribed by Allah? He then stood up and addressed (people) saying: O people, those who have gone before you were destroyed, because if any one of high rank committed theft amongst them, they spared him; and it anyone of low rank committed theft, they inflicted the prescribed punishment upon him. By Allah, if Fatima, daughter of Muhammad, were to steal, I would have her hand cut off. In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Ibn Rumh (the words are):" Verily those before you perished." (Sahih Muslim)
October 21, 2010 3:21 PM
Ali said...
there is a so -called Fabricated Hadith:''We have returned from the lesser Jihad (battle) to the greater Jihad”,''
The Narrator is Ibrahim ibn abi ablah and he is a Tabi'i not a Sahabi.
Ibn Taymiyyah said in Al-Furqan PP. 44-45: “This hadith has no sources and nobody whomsoever in the field of Islamic knowledge has narrated it. Jihad against the disbelivers is the most noble of actions and moreover it is the most important action for the mankind.”
Al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi reports it is daeef (weak) due to the narrator Khalaf bin Muhammad bin Ismail Al-Khiyam. Al-Haakim says, “His hadeeths are unreliable”. Abu Ya’la Al-Khalili says, “He often adulterates, is very weak and narrates unknown hadith.” (Mashari-ul-Ashwaq, Ibn Nuhas 1/31).
There is also the narrator Yahya bin Al-Ula who is a known liar and forgerer of hadith (Ahmad). Amru bin Ali, An-Nasai and Ad-Daraqutni state, “His hadith are renounced.” Ibn Adi states, “His hadith are false.” (Tahzeeb-ut-Tahzeeb 11/261-262)
Ibn Hajar said, “He was accused of forging hadith.” (At-Taghrib). Adh-dhahabi said, “Abu Hatim said that he is not a strong narrator, Ibn Ma’een classified him as weak and Ad-Daraqutni said that he is to be neglected.”
October 22, 2010 10:46 AM
Ali said...
Furthermore allah Says About Jihad:
لاَ يَسْتَوِي الْقَاعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِي الضَّرَرِ وَالْمُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ دَرَجَة ً وَكُلاّ ً وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الْحُسْنَى وَفَضَّلَ اللَّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ أَجْراً عَظِيما
Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward; Degrees of (higher) grades from Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. And Allah is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.”(Quran 4:95)
Secondly,It is Absolute Conrqadiction in your Interpretation to Say the Yad in this case means Power when,You say Isa was Raised(Rafa'a) to then right hand of allah!and you say Isa(a.s)was ''Raised''(Rafa'a)to allah!When Rafa'a is used many times in the quran and it all means rasing in a Metaphorical way.but Wahb ibn Munnabih and Kab al-Ahbar Two Sana'ani former Jews,took from the books of Ahl ul-Kitab,and now you beleive in Isa(a.s)Coming back.
I have Personally confirmed this from a Zaydi,who Beleived that Isa(a.s)Will come back.
(Frankly,only Isma'ilis,Qadianis,and Quran only beleive Isa(a.s) is Dead)
October 22, 2010 10:54 AM
Ali said...
'''''''Many people are turning away from religion because they perceive that it is to blame for much of the violence in the world.''
'يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَنْ يَرْتَدَّ مِنْكُمْ عَنْ دِينِه ِِ فَسَوْفَ يَأْتِي اللَّهُ بِقَوْم ٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ وَيُحِبُّونَهُ~ُ أَذِلَّةٍ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَعِزَّةٍ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ يُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَلاَ يَخَافُونَ لَوْمَةَ لاَئِم ٍ ذَلِكَ فَضْلُ اللَّهِ يُؤْتِيه ِِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيم
O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islām), Allāh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allāh, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allāh which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allāh is All Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All Knower. (Al-Ma'idah 5:54)
October 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Ali said...
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لاَ تَتَّخِذُوا الَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا دِينَكُمْ هُزُوا ً وَلَعِبا ً مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ وَالْكُفَّارَ أَوْلِيَاءَ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنْ كُنتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ
O you who believe! Take not for Auliyā' (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion for a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allāh if you indeed are true believers. (Al-Ma'idah 5:57)
it is a Sad State when Muslims Care what others think of them.This shows our Weakness.not only did they colonize your Countries,they colonized your Brain!
No we have muslims Sin Yemen,A islamic country,Who want to Banteh Marriage of 9 Year old girls.
(according to their own Health Societies 9 is the age of Puberty for girls,and puberty is the rite into Adulthood)
now ,in Yemen,We have people who want to Edn the Obligatory hijab .
As if allah(WT)Sent no shari'ah to His Prophet(SWS),and As if the Prophet muhammad did not Sent a Religion for ALL TIMES When ,allah Said:
حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِه ِِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَنْ تَسْتَقْسِمُوا بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْق ٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِي الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينا ً فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِف ٍ لإِثْم ٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُور ٌ رَحِيم
Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytatah (the dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allāh, or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allāh's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision, (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allāh and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islām as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allāh is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Al-Ma'idah 5:3)
so we See Allah chose Islam as a Religion for us
and Perfected This Religion ,when amir Al Mumineen Ali ibn abi Talib Was elected as the Successer of the Prophet Muhammad(SWS)at a pond named Ghadeer!
(The Above verse was Sent down in this Regard)
Neither did he mention mujtahids,or Re-interpretation(AKA Playing and Making a Mockery out of) of Our Religion.As if allah is bound to Time,and cultural changes of Human Beings!
Everything we need is in Quran and Sunna(handed down to us by Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)) and ijtihad/Qiyas/Aql is a Bida(Innovation)and Every Innovattor will be Placed in Hell.
October 22, 2010 12:55 PM
zaida said...
Many people are turning away from religion because they are sick of hearing the arguments of people like Ali....by the way, he is Ismaili, everybody, not Zaidi, so please do not be put off by his comments. He even insults the Imam of the Ismailis (the Aga Khan, a respected Sayyed). Personally I think Allah wants us to respect the ahlul bait, particularly the leaders and intellectuals amongst them, whether no matter which math-hab they follow. I personally support them all and respect them and try to learn from their example.
October 23, 2010 9:10 PM
Ali said...
I Came on this blog,To Expect Something Different then Shiachat,when it comes Personal,and no Scholarly Discussions are presented.
i have not insulted the Agha khan
i have not insulted,Zaidis,Zaidism or sister Zaida,and in post''the history of zaidi revival in Sa'ada''i have let you know how i Admire your Works.
With regards to the Agha khan,his Grandfather was a Twelver Shi'a From Kirman,Iran. Now,Nizar ibn Al-Mustansir had no son,and there are Variouis Stories put into place,such as him doing Adultery with the Wife of a Da'i and thus the lineage was continued.and that a baby miracoulisly came into the Alamut and continued the Nizari lineage.
the fact is a Da'i named Agha-i Buzurg had claimed imamate at a later stage in his life and thus the Nizari imamate was Revived at a later date.
secondly,the Agha khan Beleives in Re-incarnation,Evolution(theres even a article on their site wich shows how their Ginans predicted Evoltuion before charles Darwin did!)and that he is the Maz-har of Allah(SWT),Tell me Zaida do you know what it means to call yourself a Maz-har of allah?
they also beleive'in ''''Wahdat Al-wujud''the idea that Allah Exists in Everything.the Tayyibi beelive in Wahdat Al-Mawjud,wich is scientifically Proven.
Secondly the idea of Evoltuion has been refuted:
'http://www.darwinismisso19thcentury.com/index.php www.evolutiondeceit.com/ -
The origins of superstitious religion of Darwinism
http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/13787
and Wahdat al-Wujud has been refuted:
http://www.harunyahya.com/matrix.php
in fact there is a Consensus of Sunni and Shi'a Muslims that This Beleif Equates Kufr.
Secondly,You or any Zaidi,NEVER answer my Questions about Imamate(Refer to post ''the history of zaidi revival in Sa'ada'''),until you do that then Do not complain of being sick of hearing arguments.
your sick of hearing them,because you cant Refute them.
how can your refute the quran?i have used only Quran.
i have Challenged the Propoganda behind Mutazili heritage of the Zaydis ,and that angers Mariam87
in fact the Ibadhis will laugh at you,for saying you have anything to do with the mutazilas!
http://www.uga.edu/islam/ibadis.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/ibadhiyah/history.html
http://www.islamfact.com/books-htm/ibadi/content.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadi
the title is Called''Huh? Morocco and Jordan send elite troops to assist humiliated Saudis in Yemen ''http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/212286
if you Respect your Massacrerers,then hey the laughs on you ,Not me !
this is exactly why the Zaydi imams had to Persecute our Community,because they couldnt Refute our Books,and sadly i feel the Zaydis still will continue with such Attitude.
October 24, 2010 6:56 AM
Ali said...
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد
In The Name of allah mostr Mercifull,most Beneficent!
May Allah Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad!
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَدَّ كَثِير ٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ لَوْ يَرُدُّونَكُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ إِيمَانِكُمْ
كُفَّاراً حَسَدا ً مِنْ عِنْدِ أَنفُسِهِمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الْحَقُّ فَاعْفُوا وَاصْفَحُوا حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ اللَّهُ بِأَمْرِهِ~ِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْء ٍ قَدِير
(Interpretation of the Verse)
Many of the people of the Scripture wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allāh brings His Command. Verily, Allāh is Able to do all things. (Al-Baqarah 2:109)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَشْتَرُونَ بِعَهْدِ اللَّهِ وَأَيْمَانِهِمْ ثَمَنا ً قَلِيلاً أُوْلَائِكَ لاَ خَلاَقَ لَهُمْ فِي الآخِرَةِ وَلاَ يُكَلِّمُهُمُ اللَّهُ وَلاَ يَنْظُرُ إِلَيْهِمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلاَ يُزَكِّيهِمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيم
(Interpretation of the verse)
Verily, those who purchase a small gain at the cost of Allāh's Covenant and their oaths, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter . Neither will Allāh speak to them, nor look at them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they shall have a painful torment. (Aali Imran 3:77) بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَلَقَدِ اسْتُهْزِئَ بِرُسُل ٍ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ فَحَاقَ بِالَّذِينَ سَخِرُوا مِنْهُمْ مَا كَانُوا بِه ِِ يَسْتَهْزِئُون
(Interpretation of the Verse)
And indeed (many) Messengers were mocked before you, but their scoffers were surrounded by the very thing that they used to mock at. (Al-An'am 6:10)
Just because people Mock our Religion,Does this mean we stop our Religion?
just because people mocked these prophets,did it keep them from Giving their Message?
Just because people Mock Matam,do we Stop Matam?
Secondly,Tell me Zaida,And Maryam86 ,You Support Re-interpretation of islam.
but 2 Questions:
1.Can you prove from any Hadith of the Prophet muhammad or his Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)that Ijtihad/Aql/Qiyas are not Innovations and were present during the time of our Prophet(sws)as a Legitimate form of Determining Islamic Law.
if not it is a Bida.i know sunnis make a Difference between so-called ''good Bida''and Bad Bida''but a Bida is a Bida,and the Prophet did not Distinguish between the Two.
2.Alot of young people want to do Muta,Can we Re-interpret the Verses of the Quran to Allow Muta?and maybe change muta for 4 witnesses and a Permission of Wali,to make it Halal?
and or can we just Interpret the Verses of 4 witnesses as being Metaphorical,and the permission of the Wali as Metaphorical.
since''that doesnt fit in in our Culture and age where young people want to do such Things,since the shar'ia is Outdated according to you''
and ''since 1000s of Sayyed Mujtahids support Muta,and we should Respect their Re-evaluation of the said Verses''
Now you can see how Pick and Choose you are being!
Thirdly,i have never insulted anyone,but both Mariam87 and Zaida have insulted me.
but no,it only goes one way around.
Finally,If a munafiq wants to turn away form religion,He will be Killed,and the Hadd will be applied on him/Her.
October 24, 2010 7:48 AM
Ali said...
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد
In The Name of allah most Mercifull,most Beneficent!
May Allah Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad!
for every person that is turned off by religion,there are 20 people that come to the religion of allah ,Well-Accepting Towards Allah,and Allah Being-Well Accepting Towards them.
I Personally Beleive allah distinguishes between the Munafiqs and the Mukhlisin by who will Be muslims(I.e. Submit to him Entirely no ifs,and butts)and those who take a part of religion what they like.
'''If you want to show progress like the Mutazilla did in the past then you have to prove it. Creating Ahlul Bayt vs Sahaba, mourning for the Ahlul Bayt will make you no different than the 12rs''
man,the Zaydis dont Mourn Ahl ul-bayt?
Matam is one of the most important Religiouis Actions ever granted to mankind,and now the ''progressives'''want to further their Nasb and attack the Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)?
the Ithna Ashari's have a word for people that pretend to love ahl ul-bayt but are in fact their enemies ,they are called ''Muqassir''.
they are worse then the Nasibi's
i came on this site thinking Zaydis were more closer to The Commander of the Faithfull ali(a.s) then Ithna Ashari's,But i guess i am Wrong!
Zaida,You will not affect the Zaydi muslims,from Fighting the jihad,and being Good muslims.
We have come in a age where we have islam only how people want it,where islam becomes a thing for personal pleasure.
Ali Dealt very Harshly with the Zanadiqa(Heretics),and by Allah,Ali had burned those accused of Zindiqa With fire.
how do you think ali will deal with you,if you are fititng in the criteria of Zindiqa?
Be carefull not to fall into Zindiqa,because you are not a Scholar nor have you studied all the books wich arent nccassery to Understand the Deen of allah in a Correct way.
and May Allah bless All the muslims and lead us further to Unite on his quran and his Prophet's Sunna.
(Unification of different Sects does not mean we Change our Aqa'id rather it means ,We Respect each others Viewpoints and do not attack others for those Viewpoints)
October 24, 2010 7:53 AM
Ali said...
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد
In The Name of allah most Mercifull,most Beneficent!
May Allah Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad!
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلاَ تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الأُولَى ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ~ُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرا
(Surah al-Ahzab Ayat 33 I.e. Quran 33.33] And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.
(now it says ´´Keep Away´´not ´´Remove´´(Kharaj)meaning Ahl ul-bayt Never had any rijs in the First Place.
Now One Can Claim That This Refers to The Prophets Wives ,however The Change of Gender From ´´KUn´´
To ´´Kum´´Shows The Latter Part is Refering to Males.
in Fact the Ahl Al-Kisa Who are
1.Ali
2.Fatima Al-zahra
3.Hasan Ibn Ali
4.Husayn Ibn Ali
this is Proven From the Hadith of the Cloak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_The_Cloak
Now the Words 'Innamā Yurīdu Al-Lahu Liyudh/hiba `Ankumu Ar-Rijsa 'Ahla Al-Bayti Wa Yuţahhirakum Taţhīrāan
al-Rijs(الرِّجْسَ) means ALL IMPURITY ,bad Thoughts,Bad Deeds,and Bad Intentions.
further more The words Yuţahhirakum Taţhīrāan (i.e. يُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرا)Means to Perfectly Purify.
So there is no room to claim people with bad intentions,sinfullness,and any type of Non-Infallible nature of all human beings to be Refered to as Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s).
they are Hashemites,but they are not Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s).
they are Aali muhammad(the Family of Muhammad)but they are not Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)
i am well aware that there is a Verse where Ibrahim adresses his wife as Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)but the misuse of Salafi's(and i know you agree with this Interpretation) in this Regard is Easily Refutable.
Firstly the Salafi(and You) will Say :
surah al-Maida, verse 6:
مَا يُرِيدُ اللّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَـكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهَّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ
Mā Yurīdu Al-Lahu Liyaj`ala `Alaykum Min Ĥarajin Wa LakinYurīdu LiyuţahhirakumWaliyutimma Ni`matahu `Alaykum
Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on you, so that you may be grateful.
since it refers to the ummah,and the ummah is not infallible(well according to Fakhrudeen Al-Razi it is!),therefore Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s)are not Infallible.
firstly the latter Verse said :''Liyuţahhirakum''(لِيُطَهَّرَكُمْ)and did not Mention '' تَطْهِير''the word ' تَطْهِيرا Wich would Imply Perfect Purification.
Secondly the ummah has sinned,whereas the former Verse Says nothing about removing (Takhrijan)the impurity from ahl ul-Bayt(a.s),it rather says Keep away(Tahdhiban).
Kharaj(remove)is not used in the Verse,Even though the sunni Translations State such Things.
October 24, 2010 8:41 AM
Ali said...
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد
In The Name of allah most Mercifull,most Beneficent!
May Allah Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad!
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
the Second Argument is:
verse 11 of surah al-Anfal, Allah said:
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
إِذْ يُغَشِّيكُمُ النُّعَاسَ أَمَنَةً مِّنْهُ وَيُنَزِّلُ عَلَيْكُم مِّن السَّمَاء مَاء لِّيُطَهِّرَكُم بِهِ وَيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمْ رِجْزَ الشَّيْطَانِ وَلِيَرْبِطَ عَلَى قُلُوبِكُمْ وَيُثَبِّتَ بِهِ الأَقْدَامَ
‘Idh Yughashshīkumu An-Nu`āsa ‘Amanatan Minhu Wa Yunazzilu `Alaykum Mina As-Samā’i Mā’anLiyuţahhirakum Bihi Wa Yudh/hiba `Ankum Rijza Ash-Shayţāni Wa Liyarbiţa `Alá Qulūbikum Wa Yuthabbita Bihi Al-’Aqdāma
When He caused calm to fall on you as a security from Him and sent down upon you water from the cloud that He might thereby purify you, and take away from you the uncleanness of the Shaitan, and that He might fortify your hearts and steady (your) footsteps thereby.
the translation is incorrect as Yud-hiba means Keep away and not Remove,Kharaj means Remove Yukhrij(he takes away)Khawarij(those who are removed),and allah is saying he wants to keep away the Uncleanliness of Shaytan.
the difference between this verse and the other is Still''تَطْهِيرا''wich implies perfect Purification.this word is not used in these verses with regard to the Word Tathirakum..
Regarding the wives and the Verse regarding Ibrahim's Family,I can provide a Explanation to this.
and Prove your Calling the Awam al-Momineen(Radhiyallahu anhunna)(mothers of the Beleivers),and your Zaydi imams Ahl ul-Bayt(a.s) is totally Flawed!
October 24, 2010 8:59 AM
Ali said...
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد
In The Name of allah most Mercifull,most Beneficent!
May Allah Bless Muhammad and the Family of Muhammad!
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
يَاأَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُلْ لِأزْوَاجِكَ إِنْ كُنْتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا وَزِينَتَهَا فَتَعَالَيْنَ أُمَتِّعْكُنَّ وَأُسَرِّحْكُنَّ سَرَاحا ً جَمِيلا
O Prophet ! Say to your wives: If you desire the life of this world, and its glitter, Then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free in a handsome manner . (Al-Ahzab 33:28)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَإِنْ كُنْتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَه ُُ وَالدَّارَ الآخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَاتِ مِنْكُنَّ أَجْراً عَظِيما
But if you desire Allāh and His Messenger, and the home of the Hereafter, then verily, Allāh has prepared for Al Muhsināt (good doers) amongst you an enormous reward. (Al-Ahzab 33:29)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
يَانِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ مَنْ يَأْتِ مِنْكُنَّ بِفَاحِشَة ٍ مُبَيِّنَة ٍ يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرا
O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open illegal sexual intercourse, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allāh. (Al-Ahzab 33:30)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَمَنْ يَقْنُتْ مِنْكُنَّ لِلَّهِ وَرَسُولِه ِِ وَتَعْمَلْ صَالِحا ً نُؤْتِهَا أَجْرَهَا مَرَّتَيْنِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهَا رِزْقا ً كَرِيما
And whosoever of you is obedient to Allāh and His Messenger , and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her Rizqan Karima (a noble provision Paradise). (Al-Ahzab 33:31)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
يَانِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ لَسْتُنَّ كَأَحَد ٍ مِنَ النِسَاء إِنِ اتَّقَيْتُنَّ فَلاَ تَخْضَعْنَ بِالْقَوْلِ فَيَطْمَعَ الَّذِي فِي قَلْبِه ِِ مَرَض ٌ وَقُلْنَ قَوْلا ً مَعْرُوفا
O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allāh), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner. (Al-Ahzab 33:32)
بـسـم الله الـرحمن الرحيم
وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلاَ تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الأُولَى وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ~ُ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرا
And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salāt (Iqamāt as Salāt), and give Zakāt and obey Allāh and His Messenger. Allāh wishes only to remove Ar Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification. (Al-Ahzab 33:33)
Now,this would Contradict the Verse,because,Allah says to the wives the Messsenger may divorce them.and it warns them off sins.this would be unneccassery if they had been Purified from all sins.
And the Messenger of Allah Divorced A'isha the first divorce(Talaqtuki)when She had divulged his Secret Concerning Mariya al-Kibtiya(Radhiyallahu anha)(according to Isma'ili Tafsir,im aware there are Different Tafasir on this Verse)
furthermore even if we accept ibrahim called his wife ahl ul-bayt,nowhere was his ahl ul-bayt perfectly purified .
whereas Muhammad's Ahl ul-bayt was purified.
so even this Point would exclude the wives from Muhammads Ahl ul-bayt,even if Wives Generally are Ahl ul-bayt for other prophets(a.s)and Messengers(a.s).
October 24, 2010 9:02 AM
Ali said...
salaam zaida,how is my ideas tooken from the Salafis?
isma'ilis have always rejected ijtihad and re-interpretation of the deen,theyve always waged jihad and created a empire,and theyve always implemented shari'a very seriously.
seeing that salafism is a invention from the 18th century it is more likely they copied from us!
also if a muslim,who follows quran and sunnah is a ''salafi''then all muslims in the world will be ''salafi'because they reject your interpretation of revisionizing the deen of allah.
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